Kitpvp Issues

Hello, I would like to address an issue that threatens the servers population, as it causes many players to no longer wish to play. The issue I will address is the problematic "teaming" within the server. It may not come as an issue to the staff that may respond to this thread, as many of your "helpers" that have logged on whilst I have been online, have only fueled the fire by teaming with high leveled donors, and I will quote the helper Cece_green, I believe her name was. I apologize if you are indeed male, and I have identified you incorrectly. But this she illustrated the issue by teaming with a couple of donator individuals online. I will also note that this is not a one time thing, but it has been happening all morning, and I assume, long before. I will use a couple of my friends as an example. They absolutely hate this server now, as it condones teaming, and not giving new players a chance to proceed. When I addressed the issue to your helper, she acted as if the issue was a joke, earlier this morning, the teaming was clearly enraging new players like myself. Especially when I asked a large donator for a team, and he had replied with, "pay 500$ to join". New players start with no money, and cannot make such payments as donators can.

I apologize for extending the first paragraph out by a bit, but I will conclude with my suggestion of banning teaming within the kitpvp server. It would be healthy for the server, and it would result in new players seeing the server as a lot more fair, the rule will result in donators being uneager to team on newer players.

READ THIS LAST PART, BEFORE YOU REPLY, HELPER THAT SPOKE WITH ME IN GAME, AND DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF KITPVP

I would like higher staff to look at this, I will not be looking for your "helper"s response, I would truly like this thought to be taken into consideration, as when you create a kitpvp server, regularily, it is FFA. Many Newer players have my respects for requesting that such a rule be implemented. (by my observation from the server)

I am not going to create a poll, as most of the people that will respond to this thread, are in fact, the teaming individuals that do not have the best thoughts of the server in mind, but only their own.

KitPvP is based to teaming, since there's something called "a gang" on there which allows you to team with certain amount of players. Now you don't have to be in a gang to be able to team, most people team cause they're friends and not cause they have a rank. I've seen lots of new players getting along and creating gangs together to have fun together. And since I'm just a "helper" you'll probably ignore this but just stating the facts about kitpvp.

Ashie said:

KitPvP is based to teaming, since there's something called "a gang" on there which allows you to team with certain amount of players. Now you don't have to be in a gang to be able to team, most people team cause they're friends and not cause they have a rank. I've seen lots of new players getting along and creating gangs together to have fun together. And since I'm just a "helper" you'll probably ignore this but just stating the facts about kitpvp.

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Yes, I apologize, as you are clearly not one of the individuals I met online, I did not quite assume you were at the level of misunderstanding as the people I spoke to, and, to clarify, facts state that kitpvp is normally FFA, and includes no teaming of any sort. That would just be your server in particular, as most servers ban teaming, as I stated in my thread. I am speaking by my experience with most existing popular kitpvp servers. Also, quite a bit of the individuals refused to team with different people, from my observation. Such hostility was very high earlier this morning.

Nathaniel Graves said:

Yes, I apologize, as you are clearly not one of the individuals I met online, I did not quite assume you were at the level of misunderstanding as the people I spoke to, and, to clarify, facts state that kitpvp is normally FFA, and includes no teaming of any sort. That would just be your server in particular, as most servers ban teaming, as I stated in my thread. I am speaking by my experience with most existing popular kitpvp servers. Also, quite a bit of the individuals refused to team with different people, from my observation. Such hostility was very high earlier this morning.

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Snapcraft isn't like most servers, the differences we have is what makes the server fun. I'm not saying that teaming isn't a problem since I know how annoying it is to have 4 people chasing you around the map. But if we were to ban players who teamed we'd have to ban more than half the server. Speaking from my own experience, being new to a server is quite hard when it comes to pvp but we all start from somewhere.

Ashie said:

Snapcraft isn't like most servers, the differences we have is what makes the server fun. I'm not saying that teaming isn't a problem since I know how annoying it is to have 4 people chasing you around the map. But if we were to ban players who teamed we'd have to ban more than half the server. Speaking from my own experience, being new to a server is quite hard when it comes to pvp but we all start from somewhere.

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Yes, the teaming is a problem, an issue that causes new players to rage and leave, such a problem is a cancer in server growth that, if not removed, will be used against the server when new players attempt to join. Rumors will be spread that are not true, we live in a dark age of technology where rumors travel faster than the truth. I speak for the server on a matter that is within the servers best interest.

And if you worry about banning half the server, do not worry, when word gets out of the rule, donators will surely stop, as having a donated rank on a server will make you quite reluctant to disobey the rules. You will address people that break the rules as you would address a hacker, you would ask them if they read the rule outlawing banned modifications to the client. Of course, on something as simple as teaming, a simple warning will suffice for first, if staff are able to assist as much as I was made to believe.

Nathaniel Graves said:

Yes, the teaming is a problem, an issue that causes new players to rage and leave, such a problem is a cancer in server growth that, if not removed, will be used against the server when new players attempt to join. Rumors will be spread that are not true, we live in a dark age of technology where rumors travel faster than the truth. I speak for the server on a matter that is within the servers best interest.

And if you worry about banning half the server, do not worry, when word gets out of the rule, donators will surely stop, as having a donated rank on a server will make you quite reluctant to disobey the rules. You will address people that break the rules as you would address a hacker, you would ask them if they read the rule outlawing banned modifications to the client. Of course, on something as simple as teaming, a simple warning will suffice for first, if staff are able to assist as much as I was made to believe.

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Teaming on kitpvp is something that has always been a thing as far as I remember, and it's still one of the popular gamemodes on Snapcraft. A lot of people enjoy it even if they're not teamed with the top players on there and some people simply don't enjoy it as much, it's all about personal perspective. Since staff is busy most of the time trying to ban hacking players, banning people for teaming is something that we really wouldn't do. I play on kitpvp pretty much everyday and I don't find many people complaining about it, they just play the game like everyone else.

We have a lot of people playing on kitpvp daily so as far as rumours go, it doesn't seem to effect the ones who play. We get new players everyday and we still have the old ones from years/months back so, the so called teaming problem, isn't as big as you make it seem.

We're trying to satisfy as many players as we possibly can but not everyone will like they changes we make, or how we choose to run the server and what plugins we use. That's just how things are in life.

Ashie said:

Teaming on kitpvp is something that has always been a thing as far as I remember, and it's still one of the popular gamemodes on Snapcraft. A lot of people enjoy it even if they're not teamed with the top players on there and some people simply don't enjoy it as much, it's all about personal perspective. Since staff is busy most of the time trying to ban hacking players, banning people for teaming is something that we really wouldn't do. I play on kitpvp pretty much everyday and I don't find many people complaining about it, they just play the game like everyone else.

We have a lot of people playing on kitpvp daily so as far as rumours go, it doesn't seem to effect the ones who play. We get new players everyday and we still have the old ones from years/months back so, the so called teaming problem, isn't as big as you make it seem.

We're trying to satisfy as many players as we possibly can but not everyone will like they changes we make, or how we choose to run the server and what plugins we use. That's just how things are in life.

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It is your duty as server owners to make the server as fair as possible, is it not? For the enjoyment of all, and not just the people willing to suck up an unfair gamemode? I am annoyed by the allowing of teams, as are many other people.

Nathaniel Graves said:

It is your duty as server owners to make the server as fair as possible, is it not? For the enjoyment of all, and not just the people willing to suck up an unfair gamemode?

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"To make the server as fair as possible" would mean removing ranks, kits, gangs, K/Dr, custom enchants since those are the things that you're suggesting is unfair. A lot of people enjoy the kitpvp gamemode as it is right now, including teaming. But you can't make everyone happy cause there will always be something that bugs someone, or something that someone simply doesn't like. We take the request/recommendations we get into consideration and try to make the server as good as we possibly can, that doesn't mean everyone will like it.

Ashie said:

"To make the server as fair as possible" would mean removing ranks, kits, gangs, K/Dr, custom enchants since those are the things that you're suggesting is unfair. A lot of people enjoy the kitpvp gamemode as it is right now, including teaming. But you can't make everyone happy cause there will always be something that bugs someone, or something that someone simply doesn't like. We take the request/recommendations we get into consideration and try to make the server as good as we possibly can, that doesn't mean everyone will like it.

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Never did I ever suggest the removal of the ranks, as the removal of such an element would be impossible. This strengthens the side that teaming should be banned, as even if one were to obtain said advantages that you mentioned, they would still stand no chance against a team. I see no strength in the side that teaming should be allowed, the removal of it would only help people such as myself, but, what I am coming to believe, is that you dont want it to be removed, as you have friends that you probably team with as well. I am making the suggestion, as it results in every morning the same way, 2 or more diamonds (donators or not) killing everyone that drops down, and I, as a new player, experience it first hand, and it is very frustrating, I even purchased sets of diamond armor a couple times, and I still stand no chance from more than one player in the exact same armor. The teaming needs to go, it is an annoyance pvpwise, you, as someone who probably has their own "party" does not want the rule to be removed for that exact specification. This is why I had the simple request that higher staff look at this, so judgement cannot be biased by someone who only has the thoughts of their own in mind. I have seen it in some of the "helpers" that have played online.

Entering a server, and getting dropped by one staff member and 2 donators all teaming on newer players, is not an entertaining way to play a server. Simply because I am one individual with the ability to speak out against unfairness, and selfish staff members, and not one to just suck up everything, and play the unfair gamemode at hand.

Nathaniel Graves said:

Never did I ever suggest the removal of the ranks, as the removal of such an element would be impossible. This strengthens the side that teaming should be banned, as even if one were to obtain said advantages that you mentioned, they would still stand no chance against a team. I see no strength in the side that teaming should be allowed, the removal of it would only help people such as myself, but, what I am coming to believe, is that you dont want it to be removed, as you have friends that you probably team with as well. I am making the suggestion, as it results in every morning the same way, 2 or more diamonds (donators or not) killing everyone that drops down, and I, as a new player, experience it first hand, and it is very frustrating, I even purchased sets of diamond armor a couple times, and I still stand no chance from more than one player in the exact same armor. The teaming needs to go, it is an annoyance pvpwise, you, as someone who probably has their own "party" does not want the rule to be removed for that exact specification. This is why I had the simple request that higher staff look at this, so judgement cannot be biased by someone who only has the thoughts of their own in mind. I have seen it in some of the "helpers" that have played online.

Entering a server, and getting dropped by one staff member and 2 donators all teaming on newer players, is not an entertaining way to play a server. Simply because I am one individual with the ability to speak out against unfairness, and selfish staff members, and not one to just suck up everything, and play the unfair gamemode at hand.

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Just cause someone argues with you whether or not teaming should be allowed or not, doesn't it mean I'm "selfish" or "thinking about myself and no one else" since not ones did I ever mention me teaming with friends, or teaming up against "new people" for enjoyment. I've played on this server for almost 3 years and I have my opinions about the server, just like you so my opinion is just as important as yours so don't say otherwise. Kitpvp has a plugin that allows you to create gangs and teaming is allowed and that's how it is and many many people enjoy it, just cause you think it's unfair doesn't it mean everyone else does as well. I know people doesn't like that there's people in prot4 diamond gear down killing everyone that jumps down but that's how it is on every single server. There's always something people doesn't like and that's just something people as to accept or simply don't play. And no I'm not advising you to stop playing the server just cause I said "simply don't play", there's other gamemodes like lucky block brawl, Earthgames thats pvp based if you're looking for pvp, but then again, there's teaming there as well.

Ashie said:

Just cause someone argues with you whether or not teaming should be allowed or not, doesn't it mean I'm "selfish" or "thinking about myself and no one else" since not ones did I ever mention me teaming with friends, or teaming up against "new people" for enjoyment. I've played on this server for almost 3 years and I have my opinions about the server, just like you so my opinion is just as important as yours so don't say otherwise. Kitpvp has a plugin that allows you to create gangs and teaming is allowed and that's how it is and many many people enjoy it, just cause you think it's unfair doesn't it mean everyone else does as well. I know people doesn't like that there's people in prot4 diamond gear down killing everyone that jumps down but that's how it is on every single server. There's always something people doesn't like and that's just something people as to accept or simply don't play. And no I'm not advising you to stop playing the server just cause I said "simply don't play", there's other gamemodes like lucky block brawl, Earthgames thats pvp based if you're looking for pvp, but then again, there's teaming there as well.

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It is quite clear that you are not knowledgable in how a server works, servers change to fix issues, and the "many" people you are mentioning that "enjoy", are the individuals that either are in the group of people on the server that dominate, or people that dislike the rules, but, unlike me, are not willing to speak about something that they see is unjust. You cannot tell me to play a different game, and then tell me that you arent telling me "Dont play", because I am beginning to see my assumptions were either correct, and you are standing for your own position on this argument, or you are just afraid to change your server, because you do not want to upset the many individuals that enjoy dominance over the entire server.

Regardless, it is clear that you are not the one to respond, as you do not have the ability to act on the servers inconveniences. Which strengthens my belief that both sides I mentioned are correct. It would be a more proper response to allow an admin to assist me in the matter. Admins care more for all players, rather than helpers that have merely graduated from the high tier players. I trust that higher staff will see my side of the argument, and see that I speak for much of the server, and that my argument will be seen as an equal to that of the people that care none for balance within the system.

Although I'm a helper, I'm going to leave my opinion on this, too. There may be many (if not the majority) KitPvPs where teaming is not allowed, but ours simply is not that way. It's a gang/teaming KitPvP. Sure, to some it may be more fun without teaming, but I haven't seen many that would want Snapcraft KitPvP without teams so far. Nevertheless, it's quite fair to say that our current main base would probably not be very happy if we did change our point about teaming.
As staff member I have to optain proof of players with hacked clients to finally ban them. Meaning I have to go around look for them, record them in action, and so on. It can be a tough part if all the other players could be a possibly attacker as well. So, staff have advantages in teaming as well. On my main account I team with everyone who I know does not hack, and I can be sure does not attack me to disturb me while working. On my alt I prefer teaming as little players as possible. I admit, any beginning can be hard. However, you can very easily find people to team with (if you wanted to), or just enjoy playing on your own. As said before, I hardly team on my alt and it's still as much fun as it's with teams. This does include diamond fights, but that's a little trickier. The best is you find out about your enemies weakness, wait out for the best opportunity to attack, and/or go for it without wearing any strong armor (yes, that is very well possible).
Changes to improve the server are gladly done, often though, things with a higher priority need to be done first.

Everyone starts somewhere, and has to work their way up, no matter if they're a donor or not, new players that join the server always go, "this server is p2w", or "teaming is for noobs", just because they've just joined means that obviously that aren't going to be as strong as the rest, they spend hours per day on the server, they're going have better gear and more than likely be a donor as they enjoy the server and want to give back for it. Therefore, just like them you need to start somewhere and try to build up relationships with players, just like we all did so that you to can team and be friendly with them. That's not to say we force you to team at all, and you can play solo if you prefer, that's up to you, but we have a gang system in place for the players that want to come on the server, team with players that they once didn't know, or even be with friends. If you play enough like them you may even be able to take them down if you're good enough. If someone wishes that you pay them for a team, then do it or don't, your choice, us as staff can't do anything about it. This is the way that we've set-up the server, lots of players like it, others don't, if you don't like it, I'm sure that there is a server out there for you.

Hello, I am not sure if this is where we address problems but I keep having the same reoccurring problem that whenever the donor command /ci is used it clears everything except your amor slot.
Now this has been a problem because when I am in the middle of pvp and I quickly /ci to clear the junk out I realize, "Crap! where is my god sword and my speed pots."
This is hard because now I either have to individually clear each item out or /spawn and have to clear it out when al I want to do is keep playing.
I am just giving a suggestion that maybe in an update of sorts you could change /ci from clearing out all your inv to just clearing the stuff in your inventory but not your (toolbar, hot bar, idk what is it called). Whatever you are holding along with your bow pots and gaps should not, I feel, disappear with the /ci command.
Thank you I hope this finds you well.
Again Im sorry if this is not the problems for kit pvp forum.

TheWiggster99 said:

Everyone starts somewhere, and has to work their way up, no matter if they're a donor or not, new players that join the server always go, "this server is p2w", or "teaming is for noobs", just because they've just joined means that obviously that aren't going to be as strong as the rest, they spend hours per day on the server, they're going have better gear and more than likely be a donor as they enjoy the server and want to give back for it. Therefore, just like them you need to start somewhere and try to build up relationships with players, just like we all did so that you to can team and be friendly with them. That's not to say we force you to team at all, and you can play solo if you prefer, that's up to you, but we have a gang system in place for the players that want to come on the server, team with players that they once didn't know, or even be with friends. If you play enough like them you may even be able to take them down if you're good enough. If someone wishes that you pay them for a team, then do it or don't, your choice, us as staff can't do anything about it. This is the way that we've set-up the server, lots of players like it, others don't, if you don't like it, I'm sure that there is a server out there for you.

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I like how you kept the "flame" low there. Now here is my opinion. I'm not a donor on my alt account and I'm still good enough to take out a few of the "experienced" players in KitPvP. Don't take this lowly just because I play more Earthgames than KitPvP. Like what wiggster said players play on the server because they are having fun and enjoying their time here. When I got banned once, it actually made me feel terrible because I felt like I lost my home or favorite server. Now that I'm unbanned, I continued to play and I don't even notice teaming. Granted that I am a donor on my main, I am teamed. But sometimes we also have our fights and sometimes kill each other. And if you want to "counter" teamed players than bring on your friends! This is an amazing server. If you are seeing "teaming" as a problem, JUST DO IT. I got that from Nike sorry but I have been playing here for a long time and like what Ashie and Guarde said we all start from somewhere. No one can get 0 deaths here. Practice and you can take out 8v1s. If you want try eg. Where you can practice and make relations there. Make relations in eg and you can easily make your own gang or "team" in Kitpvp