No jokes allowed? DX (criticism/warning)

You've all had that moment where you type something out and the chat tells you not to bypass. Maybe you typed, "It takes 5 hits to kill a non vip" and ended up saying, "it takes ***** to kill a non vip." Maybe you tried to call a blatant bhopper out in chat and get warned or even muted by a mod, while the mod frustratingly ignores the bhopper. Whatever the case, there's obviously some flaws with over-regulating language when it can be interpreted many different ways in different contexts.

To begin with, I'm making this as a criticism, as a warning, and to prompt discussion

As a criticism so that the server can improve and stop turning away potentially good players

As a warning to those who think that satire is allowed on this server

To prompt discussion out of curiosity as to where the rest of the community stands



Context:

I was banned for threats because of a misunderstanding, I assume. Someone said "all these vips are pay2win" and i said "im not a vip" jokingly.
I then proceeded to mock hackers and how they try to take the high ground even when they are obvious (the joke being that "vip" was obviously next to my name, just like how some hackers dont take any knockback and try to pretend they aren't cheating).
Then I said, "you can screenshare me if you think im vipping (which should've been obvious what I was parodying).
The last thing I said as satire was "I totally wont try to steal your ip address or anything" (to no one in particular at that point ) since the only reason a hacker wants to screenshare is so they can ddos you. It was obvious to everyone there but the helper apparently.
Either this is a complete misunderstanding or a knowing abuse of power based upon a grudge he has against me. The first one seems unlikely as everyone there realized I was making fun of how ridiculous blatant cheaters are.


after submitting the appeal, I got a lovely reply an entire hour later (talk about speedy) from the owner saying "read the rules" which is ironic because it sounds like he didn't even read my appeal lol.


my criticisms:
-When you try to make strict laws against speech, there is a slippery slope that leads to innocent people being unfairly punished.
-People who actually are toxic chat offenders rarely get punished ( though I assume a handful of would be chat offenders are already muted).
-Satire used to mock actions is one of the most effective ways of stopping the action.





Side notes:
I was only banned for 6 hours, but I'm doing this out of principle.
If this thread gets closed down even though it's in the "off-topic" section, it just proves that this server wants to regress by avoiding all criticism.
We are all just weird mutated apes on one tiny planet in the entire universe, so don't be artificial here, there's no point.
I'm editing out the name of the helper who banned me, because hate isn't the point of this post

I feel that satire is a genre that everyone interprets differently.

I agree, and I try to be extra obvious when using it. I thought that saying "don't vippusate" followed by "XD" should've cleared any confusion the person I was talking to had. I know An3rror is a more serious kind of guy, and I respect that, but do you think this "no exceptions" mentality is unhealthy, or do you think it is necessary when there's a lack of staff members to do a blanket sweep of the entire chat?

This is the most complex I was banned unfairly thread I think Ive ever seen. For that congratulations.
First of all, you cant derive meaning in a text. Therefore we constantly preach care in what you say in chat.
I think your over critical of us. In two areas you really go over board in your criticism of how we handle things.
One area you really unfairly nail us on here is that we mute a hackusation and ignore someone in a combat hack.
That's not true, in fact no part of that is true. We would ban the combat hack if we saw it, got proof, and it was an actual combat hack ( a lot of apparent combat hacks are actually bad ping and visual glitches ). Staff are very knowledgeable on hacks and hacking and we know what we are doing and what were are looking for.
We have good reasons for muting for hackusations and I don't think we need to go in to that discussion since so many threads have focused on that. You have to really try to go around the filter and making claims of hackers, ignoring the systems big red warnings in your chat to stop what you are doing. Getting muted for eventually figuring out how to bypass the filter and saying it in chat is at the fault of the person who put so much work into doing it.
Second of all here, is a deeper concern. You charge us with rarely punishing toxic people in chat. We often do. What you dont see is PM's between staff and those people telling them to stop. Often they come with: "im sorry wont happen again" and it goes no further. Saying we rarely handle toxic people is absurd.
Overall I think that bottom line is to take care in what you say. You never know who is going to interpret what you say and how they will do so.

flash5_0 said:

I agree, and I try to be extra obvious when using it. I thought that saying "don't vippusate" followed by "XD" should've cleared any confusion the person I was talking to had. I know An3rror is a more serious kind of guy, and I respect that, but do you think this "no exceptions" mentality is unhealthy, or do you think it is necessary when there's a lack of staff members to do a blanket sweep of the entire chat?

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"...."Should've cleared any confusion the person I was talking to had."

Firstly, in my opinion, it's not sound to automatically assume another person's actions and thoughts.

Satire is simply a literary genre that mocks human error (ignorance). It can be an effective writing style on criticizing something unjust but really depends on the situation. I feel it's generally pivotal to keep in mind that not everyone rides on the same thought process. I am not in the right position to say who is in the wrong here, but I do see where you are coming from. In my defence, there are people in the world who have never read or experienced satire or any satirical elements whatsoever, so it should be expected that there are some who will never stand on the same page whenever it's implied. Also, I do not blame any staff members for excluding "context," they are simply following the server's expectations.

To put it simple.
Jokes = ✔.
Calling someone a hacker = ✖.
Combining the two including references no matter how obvious the joke is
it's not allowed basically..

Of course jokes are allowed. But just because you make a joke out of something doesn't always make it okay to say.
Threatening others in any case whether you were "kidding" or not isn't allowed and as you said in your poll, bottom line is bottom line.

Even if you meant it as a joke, Ddos threats/threatening to take someone's ip are taken very seriously and result in perm ban. It really isn't a joking matter in the first place.

wtf do you think "totally wont try to steal your ip adress" means? you can't steal an ip address lmao that's why I didn't say "DDOS." it's a meaningless line to parody the insanity of actual hackers. Snapcraft loves hackers confirmed?

"Totally won't try to steal your ip address" can be taken as a salty threat which is why actions were taken against you. In addition you can steal someone's ip address and threaten their internet security and as such we have a zero tolerance policy on this. It's good to keep in mind that there are different interpretations of lines.

flash5_0 said:

wtf do you think "totally wont try to steal your ip adress" means? you can't steal an ip address lmao that's why I didn't say "DDOS." it's a meaningless line to parody the insanity of actual hackers. Snapcraft loves hackers confirmed?

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You should watch what you say about ddosing even though its a joke. Someone might take it the wrong way and fry you